Tuesday, March 18, 2008

When everyone can bring guns to school


My classmate Mike Egnoto wrote a post about guns and politics. He thinks we can end gun shootings in school by letting everybody carry guns to classes. Here is my comment.

"I think you're definitely right that we need guns to protect ourselves. We should push this further. The American government should give tourists and foreign students from Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan the right to own guns, because they need to protect themselves in America.

We should also let every radical Muslim and Zionist student carries guns and grenades in schools. Things will not turn out like what's happened in Gaza strip in the past fifty years, becasue no one will dare to mess with teachers carrying rifles, rocket launchers and handmade atom bombs in school.

If all these become true, school will become a very safe place for our children!"

This comment is not about Americans' right to own guns, it's about whether we want our children to live in fear when they are in schools. Maybe some Americans need guns to protect themselves and I think it's fine, but I don't want my children to sit between kids who are having a arms race.

8 comments:

mike's spot said...

Peter your point is valid- but consider this:

The arms race, as you put it, is already on. Some students have demonstrated that regardless of what the law says, they are going to take actions to end as many lives as possible of their fellow classmates.

So we aren't even having an arms race at this point- we are having a slaughter because good people allow themselves to be restrained by legislation of questionable authority.

I say questionable authority, because any state funded University /college that usurps State Law by banning a practice that the state does not have a particular restriction set in place on, I think, is pretty Fuc*ed up.

thats like the President saying, we are pulling all troops out of Iraq, then the states saying "go fuc* yourself we're leaving anyone from our state in"

But I digress.

An arms race implies two sides- right now we only have one. By default an arms race would be a step up from slaughter.

Think about it this way- if it was your child, and a killer was in the room and started executing students, breaking a number of laws anyway- how against private ownership and use of firearms will you be if the teacher or a class mate shoots that bastard before your child is killed?

A handful of firearms, in the right hands, can help stave off a terrible end. here's a link to the wiki on the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

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Matt C said...

Peter -

As I mentioned on Mike's own blog, I've often had trouble figuring out which side has the most valid points on this issue. As Mike notes, in the right hands, maybe allowing guns in certain areas of life could prevent some situations, but getting them to those right hands often proves difficult, and leads to the difficulties you mentioned.

On a related note, that image you chose for your post is chilling. I'm filing that away for some use or another - great find.

mike's spot said...

Matt- if you have a chance, read a book called 'gun facts'

its updated regularly, and made available for free as a PDF at:


Gun Facts

it explains where a lot of gun myths come from, and is put out for free by concerned pro-gun citizens.

Peter Chu 朱澤人 said...

Ah..
Mike, you so optimistic and vigorous. Your words show that you truly believe in justice and human rights. I envy you, and I envy Americans who live in a world where they're protected by their strong government.

When you're talking about how to let the good guys have guns to protect other students, all I am thinking about is North Korea. Small countries like Japan, Taiwan and South Korea are spending billions of dollars buying some expensive and obsolete American weapons, not because these weapons can protect them, but because they all need America's protection against China and North Korea. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are Americans' watchdogs against the diffusion of Communism, and these watchdogs are spending money to defend their master.

However, when America attacks Iraq and leaves North Korea developing their fuc*ing Atomic bombs and long-range missiles without doing anything, these watchdogs are really dissapointed about their master.

Good people with big guns will only attack bad people with small guns, but they will leave those heavily-armed gangsters do whatever they want to do.

Mike, try not to think from an Americans' point of view. Your nation is strong and prosperous. But there're many small countries in the world live between two strong powers, and they know better than you that their dangerous situation won't change even good people have guns.

Anyway, I love your youth and courage. I hope one day you can help small countries against the real evil nation, not some poor, harmless Iraq.

mike's spot said...

Peter- you make great points.

I think if anything, you illustrate the difference between many Americans, and the American Government. Sometimes I think our leaders are cheap copies of the good men they serve.

North Korea is a problem- But fear not- the government of the US may let you down, but there are 10,000 screaming US Marines on the Border in South Korea, ready to defend free Korea to the bitter end.

As for Iraq- I'm torn. I feel like if we leave, it will turn into a killing field- A killing Field we made possible. We have an obligation to the people of Iraq to fix what we damaged.

I'll be very hurt if America allows Iraq to turn into a Darfur.

We are bigger- We have an obligation to protect smaller nations from tyranny abroad.

Taiwan and S Korea specifically- I still think if Japan was allowed to truly re industrialize and build a fresh military, they might start getting a little imperialistic (this is not saying America is NOT Imperialistic, cause I think we can be- I'm just pointing out a feeling)

I always thought one of the best checks to mainland china would be an unchained Japan- Talk about a Mongoose to the Snake.

I concede your point. The American Government is letting down a lot more than just American Citizens lately. Keep the faith- adversity reduces people to their lowest common denominator. It is then that you see a person's true worth. Good people will always stand up for what is right, and the will of the governments of the world will always have to bend to that-

alls we as citizens have to do is find a big enough lever to apply enough force.

Lamort said...

well...
this is ur old friend Kevin from taiwan....and i happened to see Bowling for Columbine few weeks ago..well, the way i see this, is that i really can't imagine a school full of guns and grenade. i mean, maybe it will be quite safe, but it's in a way of balance of fear? and what if someone accidentally fire a shot?it might likely to turn out into a massacre.

mike's spot said...

Lamort-

Bowling for Columbine- Like much of michael Moore's productions, are often misconstrued as fact when really they are just opinion.

The Columbine Massacre broke over 20 Firearm specific laws. Obviously its not lack of legislation that is the problem with tragedies like this, it is a need for a new philosophy.

Here in the States, some citizens carry concealed weapons. The rest of the population has no idea of it. There is no 'living in fear' because you don't know who has a firearm, just like now. the only time you'll know is if some sociopath comes through the door looking to kill a bunch of people and catches two to the chest from someone who wanted to defend their life.

mike's spot said...

I didn't see your 'fire a shot' comment till just now

have you ever accidentally 'started your car' ?

to accidentally fire a shot a person would have to consciously draw their weapon from concealment, manipulate whatever safety was present on the weapon, and discharge it. There is no accidental discharge when people are acting responsibly. . . as almost all Concealed carry permit holders do.

any specific questions, please feel free to contact me on my blog or ask here.